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Who do you most want to hear interviewed on Seminary Dropout?

It's time for another round of interviews for Seminary Dropout. Who do you most want to hear? Have a favorite Jesus following musician, writer, or thinker? Add a name to the list and be sure to include a link. If you have twitter, after you vote, tweet "Hey (tag person) you should give an interview on SeminaryDropout[dot]com with @beardonabike"

Sep 27, 2013 by James R Buckley - westernsem.edu - 566
James V. Brownson

Biblical scholar, Professor of New Testament at Western Theological Seminary, ordained RCA minister, author of "Bible, Gender, Sexuality"

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Anderson Campbell

Sep 23, 2013 by Graham Ware
Anderson Campbell

George Fox Seminary

Sep 25, 2013 - facebook.com - 440
N. T. Wright

N. T. Wright. 24,045 likes · 2,489 talking about this. N. T. Wright is the former Bishop of Durham in the Church of England and one of the world's leading Bible scholars. He is now serving as the chair of New Testament and Early Christianity at the School of Divinity at the University of St.

Sep 23, 2013 by Stephen Carter - twitter.com - 572
Greg Boyd
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Bruxy Cavey

Sep 23, 2013 by Graham Ware
Bruxy Cavey

Teaching Pastor, the Meeting House

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Propaganda

Sep 23, 2013 by Graham Ware
Propaganda

Hip Hop & spoken word artist w/ Humble Beast Records

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Krista Dalton

Sep 23, 2013 by Graham Ware
Krista Dalton

Jewish Studies grad student at Columbia

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Danielle Shroyer

Sep 23, 2013 by Mary Elizabeth Vasquez
Sep 23, 2013 by Stephen Carter - jonathanmerritt.com - 584

If you have a question or comment for Jonathan, please fill out the contact form below and submit.

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Jonathan Martin

Sep 23, 2013 by Graham Ware
Jonathan Martin

Pastor Renovatus Church

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Peter Enns

Sep 23, 2013 by Graham Ware
Peter Enns

Eastern University

Sep 24, 2013 by Sara Eick McAllister - facebook.com - 566
Andrew Peterson

Singer / Songwriter

Sep 24, 2013 by George Fox Seminary - christenacleveland.com - 534
Christena Cleveland

Christena Cleveland is a social psychologist with a hopeful passion for overcoming cultural divisions in groups. Drawing from a vast body of research, she uncovers the underlying processes that affect relationships within and between groups and helps leaders understand how to promote an appreciation for diversity and build effective collaborations with diverse groups. She recently completed her first book Disunity in Christ: Uncovering the Hidden Forces that Keep Us Apart.

Sep 24, 2013 by Aaron Smith - jeskastkeat.com - 522
Jas Kast-Keat
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Nate Pyle

Sep 23, 2013 by Graham Ware
Nate Pyle

Pastor, Christ's Community Church, Fishers Indiana

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Brian LePort

Sep 23, 2013 by Graham Ware
Brian LePort

Ph.D student and blogger at Near Emmaus

Sep 24, 2013 by Bruce Reyes-Chow - reyes-chow.com - 540
Bruce Reyes-Chow

observing life, engaging faith and making connections

Sep 24, 2013 by George Fox Seminary - afrikadvantage.com - 622
Robyn Afrik

Robyn Afrik is a compelling platform speaker, national consultant and strategist on issues surrounding reconciliation/diversity, international adoption, multi-cultural families' and identity formation. With over a decade of community development experience and successful fundraising efforts both in the private and public sectors, Robyn, a Korean adoptee, continues sharing her own unique and personal story, to inspire,...

Sep 24, 2013 by Aaron Smith - gracebiskie.com - 616
Grace Biskie

I went to the Story Chicago Conference this past week. The theme was A Sense of Place but I felt anything but. The 1st evening of the conference, conference creator Ben Arment gave us a brief welcome and an introduction to the 2013 Sundance-award-winning documentary, Blood Brother.

Sep 24, 2013 by George Fox Seminary - drewgihart.com - 496
Drew Hart

Drew Hart is interested in the intersection of African American theology and Anabaptism. His life and faith have been shaped by a hybridity of the two streams.

Sep 24, 2013 by George Fox Seminary - sojo.net - 597
Lisa Sharon Harper

Lisa Sharon Harper, Sojourners' director of mobilizing, was the founding executive director of New York Faith & Justice-an organization at the hub of a new ecumenical movement to end poverty in New York City.

Sep 25, 2013 - jenhatmaker.com - 465
Jen Hatmaker - Home

Jen Hatmaker

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Jeremy Cowart

Sep 23, 2013 by Mary Elizabeth Vasquez
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Derek Hatch

Sep 23, 2013 by Mary Elizabeth Vasquez
Derek Hatch
Sep 23, 2013 by Stephen Carter - twitter.com - 559
Preston Sprinkle

Get ‘The Question That Never Goes Away’ By Philip Yancey, for Free, Today Only!

After you listen to my talk with Philip Yancey about his new book ‘The Question That Never Goes Away’, be sure to get a digital copy today for FREE from Amazon.

Here’s Philip’s letter explaining the offer.

Dear Shane,

As you know, I’ve just written a book based on my visits to three places of great suffering in 2012: Japan (tsunami), Sarajevo (war), and Newtown, CT (school shooting). It’s sort of a follow-up to Where Is God When It Hurts, 35 years later. Zondervan will publish it in December, but so many disasters were happening around the world that we didn’t want to wait for the hard copy. So we published an electronic version available for Amazon Kindle format only (there are many apps that let you read Kindle files on a pc, Mac, mobile devices, too). /The Question That Never Goes Away/ retails for $7.99, but *Amazon allows a free day, and we’ve chosen September 11* for that day–when the whole nation remembers great pain. Anyone who downloads the book that day gets it free.

Click on the book cover to get it…The-Question-That-Wont-Go-Away-Book-Cover1-682x1024

3 Ways to Know That You Might Have Made Evangelism an Idol

1. file000950352313Evangelism is the end that justifies the means.

I once had a friend in college who thought a great strategy for sharing Christ was to go to a public place with a friend, and pretend to share the gospel with that friend for the first time in a way that others around could hear it. The friend was instructed to “play along”. Some people might call it evangelism, truthfully it’s called deception.

We can be guilty of this on a corporate level too. I have no better way to illustrate this point than to turn to the modern worship gathering. I’m all for doing things right and with quality, but somewhere along the way our worship bands were replaced with rock concerts. Let me be clear, worship music doesn’t have specific musical notes, beats, rhythms or tones, so don’t hear me saying that we can only worship to hymns.  The problem is not the music itself, it’s the spectacle.

Once while at a collegiate conference the worship session began and with that came lasers and smoke. My friend standing next to me leaned over and said “How did the early church worship without lasers and smoke?!” Good question.

If you ask people from churches with this type worship model about why they spend money on things like lasers, fog machines, and state of the art stage lighting, many will point to evangelism and one way or another. Many have mission statements that they can point to that say they exist to attract people to Christ, therefor if a professional rock show is what it takes, so be it.

Evangelistic opportunities have become the spiritual tax write off of evangelicals. Have an event, any event, present “the Gospel” at said event, and turn any trip to Six Flags or an all-night party into “EVANGELISM”, like magic. Perhaps some of these events have their proper place in a church, but when they become the center piece of the work of the church and take up the majority of a staff member’s time planning, that should be a signal that all is not well.

2. Evangelism is emphasized to the exclusion of discipleship.

No doubt the Billy Graham era of evangelism that was ushered in after WWII brought many great things, most notably, a relationship with Jesus to countless numbers of people.

I’m very thankful for this time period, and for the work of evangelists like Billy Graham. But I think it was during that time we experienced a shift in our collective understanding of the Christian life. Instead of seeing our initial meeting with Christ as a start to a long race, we began to see it as a finish line. On your mark, get set, done, congratulations, enjoy the celebration, and good luck with whatever comes your way tomorrow.

Perhaps one cause of our dwindling church numbers that we keep hearing so much about, is a consumer church culture focused disproportionately on attracting new converts and having nothing for them once they are initiated. It’s a sure fire way to gather a group of people who are excited and energized for a time, only to be disenchanted and burned out over time.

3. Evangelism is equated with “the gospel”.

Perhaps this entire phenomenon is a product of having a distorted view of the gospel. Many times we equate sharing the plan of salvation with sharing “the gospel.” However, they are not synonymous. As Scot McKnight says in his eye opening book The King Jesus Gospel  “…the gospel is, first of all, framed by Israel’s Story: the narration of the saving Story of Jesus — his life, his death, his resurrection, his exaltation, and his coming again — as the completion of the Story of Israel.”

Is justification, the fact that through Jesus we can be forgiven and saved from our sin apart of this gospel? Absolutely! Is it the entirety of it? By no means.

The errant view of the gospel says –Get ‘saved’, and then hang on until you die.

The gospel of the Bible says –You’re invited into a new kingdom, to be a part of the saving work that Jesus ushered in through the cross and resurrection, EVERY DAY!

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Interview Coming Soon: Philip Yancey

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You’d probably be hard pressed to find a follower of Jesus who hasn’t read a Philip Yancey book.

Yancey has written over 25 books and received numerous awards for his writing.

The first book I read of his was Disappointment with God. From the moment I saw the title I knew it was a book I needed to read. The unabashed honesty of the title took me aback, and stood out from the other surrounding titles in a Christian bookstore.

It seems that Yancey takes great interest in the problem of evil. Not only has he investigated it in Disappointment with God, but also Where is God When it Hurts, and The Gift of Pain.

Now, Yancey has released another: The Question that Never Goes Away

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“Some days, the news seems too much to bear. Yet another tsunami or earthquake or flood or prevented? If we can’t trust God to keep our children safe or our loved ones from dying in agony, what can we trust God for? fire or war atrocity. One more gun-toting madman stalking young people in idyllic Norway or moviegoers in Colorado or schoolchildren in Newtown, Connecticut. We turn off the news only to get a phone call about expectant parents with a stillborn baby, or a loved one whose cancer has returned.
Really, God? we ask. This again?
If we have faith in God, it gets shaken to the core. What was God doing in the moment when that tragedy could have been
In his classic book Where Is God When It Hurts, Philip Yancey gave us permission to doubt, reasons not to abandon faith, and practical ways to reach out to hurting people. Now, with new perspectives and stories gathered across nearly twenty-five years, once again he tackles the hard questions head-on. His visits to three places in 2012 raised the old problems with new urgency.

More veteran pilgrim than curious journalist in his later years, Yancey faces with his trademark honesty the issues that often undermine faith, yet he emerges with comfort and hope. Along the way, he shows that Christians have an important role to play in bringing healing to a deeply wounded world.

There are hopeful reasons to ask, once again, the question that never goes away. . . .” – Publishers Description

If you have any questions for Philip, leave them in the comments section.

5 Lessons Learned through Foster Care to Adoption

Today I’m so happy to have a guest post from my friend Kenneth Camp.  Kenneth and I went to the same college, lived in the same town and were both bloggers, so we became quick friends. He has an amazing story and he’s going to share just a bit of it here. 

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My wife and I decided 3 ½ years ago to embark on a journey. We had no idea how to begin or where it would take us. But we did feel that God was leading us down the path.

 

At the time we had been married for about 22 years and had no children of our own. Years before we pursued infertility treatments on two different occasions. Personally, I was ready to move on without ever having our own children. Then God interrupted my plan.

 

We had a plan to return overseas as missionaries when God impressed on our hearts a desire to look into foster care before we left the states. I didn’t know then or now how He reconciles domestic foster care/adoption with foreign missions. But it seemed clear to us that He wanted us to check into it.

 

The short story is that my wife and I obtained our license to foster and adopt in January 2011. Our first foster placement was an eight-month-old boy in June 2011. We thought he would reconcile with someone in his biological family. However, we ended up adopting him 15 months later.

 

As you can imagine, we learned a lot through this. I write about the entire experience in my book, Adopting the Father’s Heart.

 

Here I share 5 lessons I learned (I really am still learning!) from this experience:

 

How to Stay in the Moment

Because our foster son was originally a foster only placement, he potentially was returning to his family at any time. We were told numerous times that he was reconciling with both his parents, then his father, and then his paternal grandmother.

 

The only way I knew how to love my foster son and give him the care he needed was to avoid thinking about the day he might leave our home. Each day he lived with us, on that day, he was my son, so I loved and treated him as my son. I trusted that God would give me the grace needed for the when he left.

 

Need for Support and Encouragement

We quickly learned that we needed a network of support around us to help us care for our foster son. This included:

  • Logistical support – clothes, age-appropriate items, toys
  • Emotional support – our lives changed overnight. We needed encouragement to make it through this alteration.
  • Network of Expertise – We also needed to network and learn from other families and agencies that had foster care experience.

 

Our Efforts Effected More than One Child

When our foster son was placed with us, I was focused on him alone. Soon I realized that our fostering him intersected our lives with an unknown number of other people.

 

  • Biological family. I really did not think I would have to meet and interact with our foster son’s family. That myth was quickly dispelled. Not long after, I was interceding for them.
  • Social workers, attorneys, and others associated with the case. The fact is case workers are in your home a lot when you foster. And, you have mutual involvement in a traumatic event in a family’s life.
  • Friends and family. Our decision to foster and potentially adopt continues to influence those in our circle. Many now consider how they can care for at-risk children.

 

Need to Live Selfless

As you can imagine, married for over 20 years with no children created several selfish tendencies. I don’t know how I could have avoided that. For example, I liked going and coming whenever and wherever I wished, the quietness of our home, and getting to eat a meal without interruption.

Parenting is a selfless act. Parenting a foster child intensifies selflessness.

 

How to Let Go

A lot of my friends right now are sending off their children to college for the first time. I see them wrestle with the fact that their homes will never be the same. They are letting go.

Foster parents live this each day because the child they love can leave their home at any time.

This takes sacrifice and an open heart. Yes, it is painful. But, this sacrifice reflects the heart of our Father.

 

That is why I entitled my book, Adopting the Father’s Heart. To care for orphans and at-risk children requires the heart of our Heavenly Father.

 

Check out Kenneth’s blog and his new book at kennethcamp.com.

9 Reasons to Run from a Church

This wonderful post by previous Seminary Dropout guest, Roger Olson, and edited by Scot McKnight is a great companion to my “5 Ways to Be Unsatisfied with Your Church” post.

Generally the feedback from the post was positive, but there was some criticism, much of it from people who had been burned by the church and even experienced some sort of spiritual abuse in the past. My only response to those criticisms is that there is no reason why my post and those experiences & complaints can’t both be legitimate. It’s not an either/or situation, rather it’s both/and.

That’s why this post by Olson is also good to keep in mind when you experience a rift in your church life.

Why I Haven’t Been Blogging Lately…

My presence online has been uncharacteristically quiet lately.

If you follow me on twitter or facebook you know that I’ve been renovating and moving into a new house.

My wife and have been living in a tiny one bedroom apartment since we moved to Austin over two years ago. With a little one on the way we’ve officially outgrown that apartment and decided to move up.

Below are some of our exploits as of late. There are more ‘before’ pictures than ‘afters’. Hopefully I’ll be able to post more ‘afters’ soon!

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5 Ways To Be Unsatisfied With Your Church

1. Don’t participate, merely consume.

If I had to say the one thing holding the American church back today, it would be a consumeristic culture. We’ve come to expect that the latest technology comes standard in our cars. Our movie theaters should have wide rows with extra padded seats and that lean way back.
Unfortunately, we think our church should be no different. Just like the movie theater, we come when the production starts, sit in our seats, are entertained, and think we should leave satisfied when it’s over.

When I was a pastor, those most unsatisfied in our body, were those who just showed up on Sunday’s (sometimes). There was little to no participation in small groups, service projects or teaching and serving within the church.

Obviously there are those in most churches who are seekers, or young in the faith that just need to be taken care of for a season, but that should be a temporary state.

2. Criticize your leadership.

I once heard about a couple who didn’t like their pastor because he told stories about his family in the pulpit before beginning his sermons. Quirky? Yeah, kinda. Unbiblical, sinful, illegal, harmful?! Definitely not. We’ve really got understand the difference.

It’s also not fair to compare your pastor to the celebrity pastor on the other side of the country whose book we just read and now believe that every church everywhere should be run like that celebrity pastors church. Remember that celebrity pastor is in a completely different context. He doesn’t know your church, and he also doesn’t come to your home when you have a tragedy or celebrate with you when you have a baby or other joyous life event.

We’re hard on our pastors. Their job is a very public job. One that’s performed in front of an audience (by ‘performed’ & ‘audience’ I just mean that the duties of the job are undertaken in front of a crowd of people). We would do well to remember that our pastors/church leaders are human beings like us, full of quirks and wrestling with sin and struggles just like we do. Instead of seeing our pastors with targets on their backs, we should see them with love and compassion and as people who have dedicated their time to serve the body.

If you have a legitimate concern, approach your leader about it, and don’t talk about the them behind their back. Be kind, be loving.

3. Don’t spend time with your church outside of the church building.

Most of our churches corporate gatherings serve a great purpose. We worship together and we learn together. But most aren’t very conducive to getting to know each other on a deeper level. This isn’t a failure on the part of our leadership, it’s just the nature of a larger gathering. We need these small group gatherings (not just official ‘small groups’, but parties, coffee dates, men’s/women’s nights, etc.). I’ve found that I learn more about a person over 30 minutes of sharing coffee or a beer, than I did attending liturgy with them for several months.

4. Believe that everything should be about you and for you, all the time.

Not long after Kate and I started attending our current church, they undertook a ‘season of kids’. There was additional time in liturgy given to teaching the children in the church. The kids participated in the service in various ways. Even the sermons were about child-like faith and other themes centered around children.

Kate and I didn’t have children (we now have one on the way if you’re not keeping up), and we were not ourselves children. We had to understand – not everything is about/for us all the time.

That’s not to say that we didn’t get anything from the season of kids, it just wasn’t aimed directly at us, but even that taught us something important, because the church that teaches you that everything is about you, all the time, is preaching a very different message than – lay down your lives for each other.

We were also appreciative to be apart of a church that found value in children and went to great lengths to show it to them.

5. Be unhappy with the fact that it isn’t perfect.

“There is no perfect church, and if you find one, don’t join it because you’ll ruin it.” I don’t know who first said that, but it’s true. All churches are strong in some areas and weak in others. Hopefully churches are always working on those weaknesses, but if we can’t settle for anything less than perfection, then we’re in real trouble.

In his book “Under the Unpredictable Tree,” Eugene Peterson helps pastors be content in the church they are in. Maybe there needs to be a version for church members. In the book Peterson coined the term “Ecclesiastical Pornography.” That is the perfect term to describe the problem that so many people have. We look at the church down the street, or the church in town that’s “doing really well,” or the celebrity pastor’s church and think – “they have it all together” or “they’re doing church right.”

Many people start attending those churches and after the honeymoon period wears off, they find that church has weaknesses of its own. Sadly many people go through life thinking the perfect church is just around the corner, or as many young evangelicals do, they decide that they don’t need church at all and embark on solo-Christianity.

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Church is like marriage in a lot of ways. In the beginning it’s fun, and exciting, but eventually the honeymoon comes to an end and it’s work, real work, but we find that the work is rewarding and worthwhile, and it’s work that God meant for us to be doing.


 

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Some Updates to the Blog

Unless you’re reading this on a blog reader you’ve noticed that the site looks pretty different. I’m revamping the whole thing so excuse the dust. I’ll be making some minor modifications along the way, but the blog should remain completely functional the entire time.

Let me know what you think thus far!