Seminary Dropout 023: Stuart Murray

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stuart murrayMy guest today on Seminary Dropout is Stuart Murray. Stuart is chair of the Anabaptist Network and has a PhD in Anabaptist hermeneutics. Since 2001, Stuart has worked under the auspices of the Anabaptist Network as a trainer and consultant, with particular interest in urban mission, church planting, and emerging forms of church.

 

 

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Stuart joins me today to talk about his book ‘The Naked Anabaptist.’ The book deals with some of the history of Anabaptism, the core convictions of Anabaptism, and why so many people are finding a home in Anabaptist thought.

We talk about this and more on today’s episode of Seminary Dropout. Leave a comment to let me know what you’ve gained from the interview.

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List of Seminary Dropout Guests

After taking suggestions for Seminary Dropout guests in my previous post, it became apparent that there were some interviews that people would love to hear but simply didn’t know that had already been interviewed on the show. So I decided to make a list of Seminary Dropout guests.

In the future the easiest way to see an up to date list of guests/episodes is to go to iTunes, and while you’re there, be sure to subscribe and if you’re already a listener, a review would be much appreciated!

Also, one little tip, if you go to SeminaryDropout.com you’ll still be taken to this site, but only shown podcast episodes.

In chronological order…

1. Tony Kriz

2. Mary Demuth

3. Tony Campolo

4. Roger Olson

5. Katelyn Beaty

6. Shane Claiborne

7. Grace Biskie

8. JR Woodward

9.  Sam Myrick

10. Jeremy Courtney

11. Richard Foster

12. Derek Webb

13. Lacy Finn Borgo

14. Jonathan Martin

15. Rhett Smith

16. Jeff Goins

17. Jamie Wright

18. Matt Appling

19. Scot McKnight

20. Cliff Ravenscraft

21. Dave Fitch & Geoff Holsclaw

22. Philip Yancey

New Seminary Dropout Interviews, Readers’ Choice. (Nominate & Vote)

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Who do you most want to hear interviewed on Seminary Dropout?

It's time for another round of interviews for Seminary Dropout. Who do you most want to hear? Have a favorite Jesus following musician, writer, or thinker? Add a name to the list and be sure to include a link. If you have twitter, after you vote, tweet "Hey (tag person) you should give an interview on SeminaryDropout[dot]com with @beardonabike"

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James V. Brownson

Biblical scholar, Professor of New Testament at Western Theological Seminary, ordained RCA minister, author of "Bible, Gender, Sexuality"

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Anderson Campbell

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Anderson Campbell

George Fox Seminary

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N. T. Wright

N. T. Wright. 24,045 likes · 2,489 talking about this. N. T. Wright is the former Bishop of Durham in the Church of England and one of the world's leading Bible scholars. He is now serving as the chair of New Testament and Early Christianity at the School of Divinity at the University of St.

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Greg Boyd
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Bruxy Cavey

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Bruxy Cavey

Teaching Pastor, the Meeting House

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Propaganda

Sep 23, 2013 by Graham Ware
Propaganda

Hip Hop & spoken word artist w/ Humble Beast Records

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Krista Dalton

Sep 23, 2013 by Graham Ware
Krista Dalton

Jewish Studies grad student at Columbia

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Danielle Shroyer

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If you have a question or comment for Jonathan, please fill out the contact form below and submit.

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Jonathan Martin

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Jonathan Martin

Pastor Renovatus Church

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Peter Enns

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Peter Enns

Eastern University

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Andrew Peterson

Singer / Songwriter

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Christena Cleveland

Christena Cleveland is a social psychologist with a hopeful passion for overcoming cultural divisions in groups. Drawing from a vast body of research, she uncovers the underlying processes that affect relationships within and between groups and helps leaders understand how to promote an appreciation for diversity and build effective collaborations with diverse groups. She recently completed her first book Disunity in Christ: Uncovering the Hidden Forces that Keep Us Apart.

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Jas Kast-Keat
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Nate Pyle

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Nate Pyle

Pastor, Christ's Community Church, Fishers Indiana

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Brian LePort

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Brian LePort

Ph.D student and blogger at Near Emmaus

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Bruce Reyes-Chow

observing life, engaging faith and making connections

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Robyn Afrik

Robyn Afrik is a compelling platform speaker, national consultant and strategist on issues surrounding reconciliation/diversity, international adoption, multi-cultural families' and identity formation. With over a decade of community development experience and successful fundraising efforts both in the private and public sectors, Robyn, a Korean adoptee, continues sharing her own unique and personal story, to inspire,...

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Grace Biskie

I went to the Story Chicago Conference this past week. The theme was A Sense of Place but I felt anything but. The 1st evening of the conference, conference creator Ben Arment gave us a brief welcome and an introduction to the 2013 Sundance-award-winning documentary, Blood Brother.

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Drew Hart

Drew Hart is interested in the intersection of African American theology and Anabaptism. His life and faith have been shaped by a hybridity of the two streams.

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Lisa Sharon Harper

Lisa Sharon Harper, Sojourners' director of mobilizing, was the founding executive director of New York Faith & Justice-an organization at the hub of a new ecumenical movement to end poverty in New York City.

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Jen Hatmaker

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Jeremy Cowart

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Derek Hatch

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Derek Hatch
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Preston Sprinkle

Get ‘The Question That Never Goes Away’ By Philip Yancey, for Free, Today Only!

After you listen to my talk with Philip Yancey about his new book ‘The Question That Never Goes Away’, be sure to get a digital copy today for FREE from Amazon.

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Dear Shane,

As you know, I’ve just written a book based on my visits to three places of great suffering in 2012: Japan (tsunami), Sarajevo (war), and Newtown, CT (school shooting). It’s sort of a follow-up to Where Is God When It Hurts, 35 years later. Zondervan will publish it in December, but so many disasters were happening around the world that we didn’t want to wait for the hard copy. So we published an electronic version available for Amazon Kindle format only (there are many apps that let you read Kindle files on a pc, Mac, mobile devices, too). /The Question That Never Goes Away/ retails for $7.99, but *Amazon allows a free day, and we’ve chosen September 11* for that day–when the whole nation remembers great pain. Anyone who downloads the book that day gets it free.

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Seminary Dropout 022: Philip Yancey

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To continue the Seminary Dropout tradition of introducing people who need no philip-yanceyintroduction…

Philip Yancey began his career as Editor of Campus Life Magazine, and has connected with more than 15 million readers since his first book was published in 1977. His books have been translated into 35 languages. Philip explores the most basic questions and deepest mysteries of Christian faith and invites readers to join him on his journeys. His books have earned recognition including two Christian Book of the Year awards and 13 Gold Medallion awards.

Philip joins me on the show to talk about his new book
The Question That Never Goes Away’.

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Some days, the news seems too much to bear. Yet another tsunami or earthquake or flood or fire or war atrocity. One more gun-toting madman stalking young people in idyllic Norway or moviegoers in Colorado or schoolchildren in Newtown, Connecticut. We turn off the news only to get a phone call about expectant parents with a stillborn baby, or a loved one whose cancer has returned. 

Really, God? we ask. This again?

If we have faith in God, it gets shaken to the core. What was God doing in the moment when that tragedy could have been prevented? If we can’t trust God to keep our children safe or our loved ones from dying in agony, what can we trust God for? 

In his classic book Where Is God When It Hurts, Philip Yancey gave us permission to doubt, reasons not to abandon faith, and practical ways to reach out to hurting people. Now, with new perspectives and stories gathered across nearly twenty-five years, once again he tackles the hard questions head-on. His visits to three places in 2012 raised the old problems with new urgency. 

More veteran pilgrim than curious journalist in his later years, Yancey faces with his trademark honesty the issues that often undermine faith, yet he emerges with comfort and hope. Along the way, he shows that Christians have an important role to play in bringing healing to a deeply wounded world.

There are hopeful reasons to ask, once again, the question that never goes away. . . .

 -From the publisher.

3 Ways to Know That You Might Have Made Evangelism an Idol

1. file000950352313Evangelism is the end that justifies the means.

I once had a friend in college who thought a great strategy for sharing Christ was to go to a public place with a friend, and pretend to share the gospel with that friend for the first time in a way that others around could hear it. The friend was instructed to “play along”. Some people might call it evangelism, truthfully it’s called deception.

We can be guilty of this on a corporate level too. I have no better way to illustrate this point than to turn to the modern worship gathering. I’m all for doing things right and with quality, but somewhere along the way our worship bands were replaced with rock concerts. Let me be clear, worship music doesn’t have specific musical notes, beats, rhythms or tones, so don’t hear me saying that we can only worship to hymns.  The problem is not the music itself, it’s the spectacle.

Once while at a collegiate conference the worship session began and with that came lasers and smoke. My friend standing next to me leaned over and said “How did the early church worship without lasers and smoke?!” Good question.

If you ask people from churches with this type worship model about why they spend money on things like lasers, fog machines, and state of the art stage lighting, many will point to evangelism and one way or another. Many have mission statements that they can point to that say they exist to attract people to Christ, therefor if a professional rock show is what it takes, so be it.

Evangelistic opportunities have become the spiritual tax write off of evangelicals. Have an event, any event, present “the Gospel” at said event, and turn any trip to Six Flags or an all-night party into “EVANGELISM”, like magic. Perhaps some of these events have their proper place in a church, but when they become the center piece of the work of the church and take up the majority of a staff member’s time planning, that should be a signal that all is not well.

2. Evangelism is emphasized to the exclusion of discipleship.

No doubt the Billy Graham era of evangelism that was ushered in after WWII brought many great things, most notably, a relationship with Jesus to countless numbers of people.

I’m very thankful for this time period, and for the work of evangelists like Billy Graham. But I think it was during that time we experienced a shift in our collective understanding of the Christian life. Instead of seeing our initial meeting with Christ as a start to a long race, we began to see it as a finish line. On your mark, get set, done, congratulations, enjoy the celebration, and good luck with whatever comes your way tomorrow.

Perhaps one cause of our dwindling church numbers that we keep hearing so much about, is a consumer church culture focused disproportionately on attracting new converts and having nothing for them once they are initiated. It’s a sure fire way to gather a group of people who are excited and energized for a time, only to be disenchanted and burned out over time.

3. Evangelism is equated with “the gospel”.

Perhaps this entire phenomenon is a product of having a distorted view of the gospel. Many times we equate sharing the plan of salvation with sharing “the gospel.” However, they are not synonymous. As Scot McKnight says in his eye opening book The King Jesus Gospel  “…the gospel is, first of all, framed by Israel’s Story: the narration of the saving Story of Jesus — his life, his death, his resurrection, his exaltation, and his coming again — as the completion of the Story of Israel.”

Is justification, the fact that through Jesus we can be forgiven and saved from our sin apart of this gospel? Absolutely! Is it the entirety of it? By no means.

The errant view of the gospel says –Get ‘saved’, and then hang on until you die.

The gospel of the Bible says –You’re invited into a new kingdom, to be a part of the saving work that Jesus ushered in through the cross and resurrection, EVERY DAY!

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Seminary Dropout 021: David Fitch & Geoff Holsclaw

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davidfitchDavid Fitch is a co-pastor and founder of Life on the Vine Christian Community and the author of The Great Giveawaway and The End of Evangelism?

 

 

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Geoff Holsclaw is also a co-pastor at Life on the Vine Christian Community, an adjuncy professor of theology at Northern Seminary, and a regional coordinator for Ecclesia Network.

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David & Geoff join me on Seminary Dropout to talk about their new book Prodigal Christianity. Prodigal Christianity is a book for church & lay leaders to help their churches navigate through different issues of the day (scripture, sexuality, justice, etc.) , especially for those like me who don’t fit well into, what the authors call the Neo-Reformed or Emergent streams of Christianity

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Interview Coming Soon: Philip Yancey

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You’d probably be hard pressed to find a follower of Jesus who hasn’t read a Philip Yancey book.

Yancey has written over 25 books and received numerous awards for his writing.

The first book I read of his was Disappointment with God. From the moment I saw the title I knew it was a book I needed to read. The unabashed honesty of the title took me aback, and stood out from the other surrounding titles in a Christian bookstore.

It seems that Yancey takes great interest in the problem of evil. Not only has he investigated it in Disappointment with God, but also Where is God When it Hurts, and The Gift of Pain.

Now, Yancey has released another: The Question that Never Goes Away

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“Some days, the news seems too much to bear. Yet another tsunami or earthquake or flood or prevented? If we can’t trust God to keep our children safe or our loved ones from dying in agony, what can we trust God for? fire or war atrocity. One more gun-toting madman stalking young people in idyllic Norway or moviegoers in Colorado or schoolchildren in Newtown, Connecticut. We turn off the news only to get a phone call about expectant parents with a stillborn baby, or a loved one whose cancer has returned.
Really, God? we ask. This again?
If we have faith in God, it gets shaken to the core. What was God doing in the moment when that tragedy could have been
In his classic book Where Is God When It Hurts, Philip Yancey gave us permission to doubt, reasons not to abandon faith, and practical ways to reach out to hurting people. Now, with new perspectives and stories gathered across nearly twenty-five years, once again he tackles the hard questions head-on. His visits to three places in 2012 raised the old problems with new urgency.

More veteran pilgrim than curious journalist in his later years, Yancey faces with his trademark honesty the issues that often undermine faith, yet he emerges with comfort and hope. Along the way, he shows that Christians have an important role to play in bringing healing to a deeply wounded world.

There are hopeful reasons to ask, once again, the question that never goes away. . . .” – Publishers Description

If you have any questions for Philip, leave them in the comments section.