Seminary Dropout 31: Halee Gray Scott on Women in Christian Leadership

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haleegrayscottMy guest today is Halee Gray Scott (PhD). Halee is an author, scholar, and global leadership consultant. Her writings appeared in Christianity Today, Christian Education Journal, Real Clear Religion, and Relevant. You can find her on her blog at hgscott.com and on twitter.

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Halee’s new book is called Dare Mighty Things: Mapping the Challenges of Leadership for Christian Women

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Your Church Shouldn’t Be So Special

Some of you know that I helped plant a church and served as its pastor for about 5 years. Like most churches we had our ups and downs, our weaknesses and strengths. One thing was for sure, we didn’t have impressive stats. We were small. In our best times I bet we averaged 60 people at a gathering. We didn’t have tons of baptisms to report either (our denominations favorite metric for determining if God approved of your church). It wasn’t that we didn’t believe baptism was important, but in that town’s strange brew of deep seeded Christendom, entrenched routine, and a good dose of ‘I’ve been baptized twice already but Jesus really has nothing to do with my daily life’, it just wasn’t the season for baptism.

The one thing that encouraged us in the midst of those realities, was the fact that much of our church consisted of people who would not be at another church if ours didn’t exist; those who wouldn’t feel good about going to other churches, felt that they were too ‘churchy’, and didn’t speak the language of the young and jaded. We were special, we were the refuge for the cynical and weary.

Churches like that are more abundant these days, especially in bigger cities. I’m glad. There need to be churches who specialize in tending to the wounded, where for a time, those people just take in nourishment.

The problem comes when a church doesn’t help people recover, and unknowingly causes them to establish a personal identity of being wounded (By ‘wounded’, I’m not talking about a type of brokenness that we as human beings live in by recognizing our sin).

To oversimplify it, Jesus came so that we could be saved from our wounded state, not wallow in it.

I’ve heard of multiple instances of these churches falling under their own weight. Too many people are just being fed and aren’t doing any feeding, too many are wounded and not finding healing and it can’t be sustained over the long haul. Many of those people won’t simply find another place to belong in community, because they don’t know how to see past a difference in philosophy or method, they only know the first church was so special that what they had can not be created or found anywhere else.

We need churches with large front porches designed for welcoming people who might be afraid and suspicious of what the inner rooms hold, and that given their history, might find it too hard to walk into the deeper rooms. But those churches need to help people mend, gain strength, and grow on those front porches instead of encouraging them to make the front porch a permanent place to camp out forever.

Seminary Dropout 030: Drew Hart on Race, the Church, Anabaptism & Black Theology

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Drew, along with pastoral ministry, is also a PhD student at Lutheran Theological Seminary drewhartat Philadelphia in Theology & Ethics. His research is focused on the intersection of Black theology and Anabaptism. Drew regularly speaks at churches and conferences, confronting racism, systemic oppression, and violence, while continually pleading with Christians to take a stand. Drew is committed to a life that struggles to take Jesus seriously while following him into the world.

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Some of the books Drew mentioned in the podcast:

      

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Seminary Dropout 029: Austin Fischer… Young, Restless, No Longer Reformed

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austin fischerMy guest today is Austin Fischer. Austin is the Teaching Pastor at Vista Community Church. He and his wife, Allison, live in Temple, Texas. He speaks and writes and you can follow him on Twitter at @austintfischer or online at purpletheology.com.

yrnlrAustin’s first book is called Young, Restless, No Longer Reformed: Black Holes, Love, and a Journey In and Out of Calvinism, and it is fantastic. If you’re not a Calvinist and especially if you are, you need to read this book. Austin is a fantastic writer and the book is far from simple theology, like the title says Austins story of finding Calvinism as a high school student and then coming to grips with the fact that the theology just couldn’t be sustained.

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3 Ways the Church Can Talk About Sex Better

1. Encourage singleness and celibacy as a strong viable option.

Oh how we’ve gotten this wrong.

There are some scriptures the church just flat out doesn’t like. Case in point, Paul’s exhortation – “To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain unmarried as I am.”(1 Cor. 7:8) Some translations even say “…it is better for them to remain unmarried…”.

Too much of our modern church revolves around the coveted family unit. Our churches host marriage conferences, provide parents nights out, and offer marriage counseling. There’s obviously nothing wrong with any of that, but we’ve got to ask how we’re welcoming, accommodating, and caring for the single person. Singles ministries withing churches need to a place for single people to do kingdom work together and not an easy place to find the last single people to hook up with.

This problem is most glaring when we teach that the reason for sexual purity is because “God has someone for you”. What if he doesn’t?! What if his desire for that kid in your youth group, that 20 something in the your small group, or that widow in your pew  is to remain single so that they can be focused on as Paul puts it “the Lords affairs”.

We speak outside of scripture and give promises that God does not give when say or imply that the reward of a sexual purity is a spouse. Furthermore, that is simply an inappropriate motivation for the Christ follower to wait until marriage. Christ himself should be the motivation.

2. The emphasis must be on sexual purity vs. “virginity”.

Way before The Bachelor, the church had it’s own little rose ceremony. If you grew up in the church any time after 1980 then you have probably been subject to The Rose Ceremony. Someone produces a rose and has everyone in the room touch it and feel it, while he/she lists off a laundry list of reasons why sex before marriage is a bad idea. Often times in this laundry list, little or nothing is actually said Gods holistic design and desire for sex in the life of the Christ follower, rather time is spent talking about the dangers of STD’s and how being a teenage mom or dad will destroy your life. Also, bonus points for doing that thing where you hold a role of masking tape and put a sharpie market through it to illustrate the size of microscopic holes in a condom compared to the size of an STD. At the end of the virginity sales pitch the rose has made it’s way around the room and back to the speaker. The speaker then takes the now wilted and decrepit rose, holds up a new rose in pristine condition, and asks the captivated audience “Now, who wants this rose instead of this one?” Fade to black.

Of the myriad of things wrong with this picture, I’ll constrain myself to the most flagrant. Leave it to human beings to replace God’s desire for sexual purity with something like virginity (something that is lost and cannot be recovered). The God of the Bible does not seem to be concerned with virginity but rather sexual purity, and contrary to what some have taught, those are two different things. A person who does not fit the dictionary definition of a virgin, can still be sexually pure through the transformation offered by Christ. On the same token someone can be a virgin and be far from sexually pure.

Obviously, sex even once, outside of it’s proper place is not consequence free and indeed many have endured some hardships because of it, but to emphasize something that is lost and can never be recovered is simply the antithesis of the Gospel. Our hope in Christ is that he can redeem all things, including our sexuality.

3. Talk about sex within the context of a complete life of the Christ follower.

For someone on the outside looking in, it probably looks like Christians are obsessed with sex. We tend to gravitate to one of two extremes. Either sex is a dirty word that we never talk about and when sexual immorality takes place it receives the deepest shame to the point that members of the body feel judged and unwelcome OR in an attempt to show the greater culture that we Christians have just as much super awesome sex as everyone else, we hyper sexualize everything. This over-sexualizing happens in subtle ways, like the pastor who declares that his wife is “smoking hot“. Rather than following cultures lead or simply doing the opposite of culture, we must first follow Christ with our life and then see what that means for our God-given sexuality.

Seminary Dropout 028: Mary Demuth on Sexual Abuse & Healing.

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In her second visit to Seminary Dropout, my guest Mary Demuth joins me to talk about her 201100629-DeMuth057newest book, Not Marked: Finding Hope & Healing After Sexual Abuse.

NOTMARKEDsmallerNot Marked is Mary’s first hand account of sexual abuse as a child and her healing. Mary tells her story in raw honesty and vulnerability to help not only those who have been sexually abused but also those who love someone who has been sexually abused.

The Book: Not Marked: Finding Hope and Healing after Sexual Abuse
Mary’s site and blog: MaryDemuth.com

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3 Views on the Bible

The idea for this post came from a conference I’m attending next month. I’m not a speaker, and I have no formal ties to the those putting it on, I just think the theme of the conference is so significant for the future of Christianity that I’m making the trip half way across the country to attend. This post explains a little of why I think it’s so important.

Many scholars more education than I, have presented the various Biblical perspectives with more nuance than 3 categories allow. This is a more simplified look at those views and takes a more “on the ground” approach.

1.) The Bible should be taken literally in the strictest sense.

You don’t have to dig very deep to realize that there really are no true adherents to this position, only those who claim to adhere to it. In fact that’s why I left fundamentalism many years ago, it simply didn’t play by it’s own rules. Fundamentalism hangs it’s hat on taking the Bible literally and using it as it’s sole guide. It’s simply not true. No group within modern Christianity, and especially any fundamentalist groups, follow Paul’s decree in 1 Thessalonians 5:26 to “Greet all of the brethren with a holy kiss.”

Not only that but fundamentalist add prohibitions that the Bible doesn’t contain. Until I was embarrassingly too old, I believed that drinking alcohol was a sin, because that’s what I was taught in fundamentalism. The Bible does not prohibit alcohol and any attempts to make the Bible say this are more than a stretch. On the other hand, Jesus’s first miracle was changing water to wine (the stories fundamentalists have come up with to explain this away are hilarious, btw), and Paul instructs Timothy to take alcohol with him on his journey.

Those in this category might believe that the Bible itself holds authority, instead of believing that God himself exercises his authority through scripture. Some even interpret John 1:1 (In the beginning was the word…) as speaking about the scripture when it says “the word”.

2.) The Bible is inspired and literal in the ways that it’s authors intended for it to be literal. 

This is perhaps the most dominant view within Christianity, and spans across a large theological spectrum, because while this group agrees that the Bible requires interpretation, they might strongly disagree with each other on what the correct interpretation is.

To use the same example above, 1 Thessalonians 5:26 would not only be interpreted as saying that Christians should simply greet each other in love, but this group would also believe that Paul himself did not intend for that statement to be taken literally by all people in all time periods.

Texts like the creation account might be interpreted with numerous subtleties from person to person, but many would believe that the writers never intended for the reader to take things like a 7 day creation literally and that the purpose of the story is simply to begin the narrative of Gods redemption of the world. Thus many would see no conflict between science and the Bible.

Those in this category believe that Bible is authoritative in so far as God communicates his authority through it.

3.) The Bible is a racist, sexist, and homophobic book, and we should acknowledge that and focus on Jesus’s message of love. 

This view is small but growing. Many in the second category might agree with some of the conclusions of this group, but would maintain that a proper interpretation of the scriptures is what led them there.

Those in this last category may have an interest in proper interpretation, but ultimately believe it is inconsequential since the Bible holds no or very little authority and was written by a group of people who were less enlightened as modern readers.

Why are these views important?

…because I believe that they will structure the face of Christianity in the years to come (specifically views 2 and 3). In the age of Christendom, believers took for granted that scripture was authoritative, but we are coming out of that time. I think this is a good thing, not because I don’t believe that scripture is authoritative (I put myself in category 2), but because we are now forced to examine the nature of scripture and ask questions about why, how and in what manner it is authoritative.

That’s why I was immediately drawn to the Ecclesia National Gathering and it’s theme:

In a Western context that is increasingly suspicious of, if not hostile toward, sources of supposed authority and at the same time, constantly presented with new ones, it is little wonder that questions about the authoritative role of Scripture have become such a pressing issue.

Mission in North America then must involve turning our collective attention to how we understand and engage, corporately and personally, the Bible. The Bible is not a document – it is the unfolding drama of God. As Christians, it is our one and true story for the whole world. It’s authority in Christ is extended into our very lives by the invitation of the Spirit as we participate in God’s work. We therefore cannot know it’s authority apart from mission and by experiencing it’s authority over our lives in the hearing of it as God’s Word and responding to it in obedience. Yet, many questions remain as to how we are to read, submit, teach and preach this great story in an increasingly secular, post-Christianizing society.

This year we are joined by Dr. Scot McKnight, world renowned author and professor of New Testament at Northern Seminary. We are also delighted to have Dr. Bill Webb join us this year. Bill is well-known for his ground-breaking work on hermeneutics through his book Slaves, Women, and Homosexuals and subsequent writings. We will also be joined by Dr. Al Tizon of Palmer Seminary and author of Missional Preaching and Mandy Smith, Lead Pastor of University Christian Church in Cincinnati, OH. Mandy is also the author of Making a Mess and Meeting God.

I only plan on traveling to one conference this year, and because I know this will be a quality event, this is the one. The gathering is February 25-27, 2014 and you can find out more at EcclesiaGathering.org.

What category are you in, if any, and why? Be sure to be fair to those in other categories.