Top 10 Seminary Dropout Episodes

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I thought it would be a good idea to have a page to send new listeners to Seminary Dropout.

We’re rapidly approaching 100 episodes which might seem daunting to someone just now finding the podcast. This list can be a good starting point after the current episode.

I find that many people discover Seminary Dropout because I interview someone they’re really into, and after hearing that episode they check out the back catalogue. If you’ve listened to all the interviews of people you know, then this list is a good place to start. After that, just keep up from week to week. The next thing you know, you’ll be a Seminary Dropout-ologist.

I’ll update this list when I need to so hopefully it will always be accurate.

1. Episode 17: Jamie Wright

2. Episode 12: Derek Webb

3. Episode 1: Tony Kriz

4. Episode 6: Shane Claiborne

5. Episode 3: Tony Campolo

6. Episode 11: Richard Foster

7. Episode54: Walter Brueggemann

8. Episode 27: Greg Boyd

9. Episode 48: WM Paul Young

10. Episode 4: Roger Olson

 

Seminary Dropout 42: Christian Piatt, Talking Homebrewed Christianity’s Culture Cast, Fatherhood & More

piatt picChristian Piatt is an author, editor, speaker, musician and spoken word artist. Currently he serves as the Director of Acquisitions and Author Development for CrowdScribed, and as the Director of Growth and Development for First Christian Church (DOC) in Portland, OR, of which his wife Amy is the Senior Minister.

Christian is the creator and editor of the Banned Questions book series, including the latest in the series: Banned Questions About Christians. He co-created and co-edits the WTF: Where’s the Faith? young adult series.

Christian has a memoir on faith, family and parenting called PregMANcy: A Dad, a Little Dude and a Due Date. His first book for Jericho Books, called postChristian: What’s Left? Can We Fix It? Do We Care? comes out in hardback in August, 2014.

Movie Review: Ragamuffin

‘Our fathers were our models for God, if our fathers bailed, what does that tell you about God?’
-Tyler Durden, Fight Club

ragamuffinMedia and Christianity have had an uneasy relationship probably ever since the reformation. Believers and church leaders incorrectly interpreting the second commandment (You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Exodus 20:4), forbid the making of art in many cases. 

I can’t help but wonder if we’re still seeing the lingering effects of that bad theology.

Most Christians with discerning tastes have completely given up on seeing a good ‘faith-based’ movie. I would count myself as a part of this group. However, non-discerning Christians, those who are blinded to the sheer stupidity and ineptitude of a faith-based movie because of it’s supposed ‘message’, they love these movies. They can’t get enough. They pay big money to rent out entire theaters to host special screenings and invite their friends to see these atrocities.

Several years ago, Fire Proof, the Kirk Cameron vehicle was released to an onslaught of Christians frothing at the mouth to see a movie that ‘promoted their values’. ‘You need to see it’, they said. ‘It’s so good’, they said. I tried to keep an open mind. I hoped for the best. Kate and I made it about 30 minutes in before we cried uncle. We couldn’t handle any more chewing of the scenery, we longed for a world with a trace of subtlety and nuance, and our intelligence was insulted.

Word to the wise: The message can not be separated from the medium.

Speaking of the message; most faith-based movies seem to be reversed engineered starting with the Sunday school lesson, adding as many tired tropes as possible, awful acting, ham-fisted writing, police interrogation room lighting, and uninspired directing.

I say all this to set the stage for the attitude I had while going into Ragamuffin. I could only assume I was Charlie Brown in a full sprint towards Lucy holding the football that would surely be pulled away at the last second, yet again.

Ragamuffin, a bio-pic about Contemporary Christian Music artist Rich Mullins, opens with pages sheet music floating to the ground in the distance against a black background while the voice over of the character who the viewer comes to know as Brennan Manning says…

‘I am utterly convinced that on judgment day, the Lord Jesus will ask one question and only one question: Did you believe that I loved you?’

A glimmer of hope. Might this really be any good?

One things for sure, it’s visually beautiful. Interrogation room lighting is nowhere to be found. The quality cinematography and colorization go a long way here.

The film isn’t perfect, in fact it’s messy in parts.

The acting is sometimes uneven. The actors playing peripheral characters struggle a bit, and a few lines are delivered with misplacedrm enthusiasm. The star Michael Koch is also spotty in places, but when he’s good, he’s really good, his hurt feels real, his joy is palpable, and his singing voice is a spot on Mullins.

There are places in the movie that fall into traps that for some reason are common to faith-based movies. The set and set pieces
sometimes can take the viewer out of the moment especially in scenes of decades past. Among scenes taking place in the 70’s & 80’s, the interior of a house looks a lot like a house built in the 2000’s, a dodge van looks like a late-model, the headphones look an awful lot like the brand new ones I use to podcast.

In a scene in which Rich sees a movie about St. Francis that will forever change the trajectory of his life, the movie within the movie seems hastily thrown together. It’s just one scene but the actor playing St. Francis looks like a guy pulled out of line at the Taco Bell down the street, his hair flipped up in just right spot and side burns shaped ever so purposefully. These details don’t make or break a viewing experience. Despite what people say this is not why Mad Men is so popular. Meticulous period design by itself is not enough, but these details that can really come together to immerse the viewer in the experience or distract them from it.

The vintage scenes aren’t the only ones that needed a little help. The car belonging to Rich’s music producer has a dent in it featured so prominently in one shot you think it has to come into play in the plot at some point. It doesn’t.

Rich himself, never ages. 1974 Rich looks pretty much just like 1997 Rich. Long hair and facial hair come and go and come again, but really Rich never looks older in the passing years.

The last bone I’ll pick with this movie is the framing device of Rich giving a radio interview that serves as a narration of the movie. Sometimes this comes off as lazy. They say that great writers ‘show instead of tell’. This seems even more true for movies.

Nevertheless, it occurs to me that most if not all of these problems are budget issues, and they aren’t so glaring that they ruin what the movie has going for it.

The subject matter is solid. Rich Mullins has always been a fascinating and inspiring figure, sadly in part because he was such an anomaly. Before I saw the movie I knew the highlights of Rich’s life: although he earned big money from his music career he only took the salary of an average American, he felt a calling to live on a Navajo Reservation to teach music to children, and he died tragically in a car accident. Self sacrifice and oaths of (near) poverty, are not hallmarks of recording artists, Christian or otherwise. Oh and the other thing about Mullins, if you grew up in Evangelicalism in 80’s or 90’s, you sang his songs whether you knew they were his or not.

The parts that most people don’t know about Rich are somewhat shocking. Less shocking that they were struggles of his, and more shocking that a movie marketed to Christians disclosed it.

Rich was a real flesh and blood person who had real struggles. Throughout his life he struggles with loneliness that manifests itself in odd ways like chastising his house and band mates for not leaving a note when the leave the house or hotel. In the midst of an ill-fated engagement he finds that he still can’t escape loneliness.

Rich-and-Dad-300x158Rich has daddy issues that are unrivaled. Rich’s dad was a tough as nails farmer, the no-nonsense, I can’t tell you I love you because I don’t want you to be soft – type of dad. This narrative of not being able to please his father plagues Rich for most of his life. In the ever-present radio interview/voice-over, Rich explains…

‘Growing up people would always say to me that God loved me, but I don’t know, I had a hard time believing that , I wondered if God even liked me. I don’t know, maybe it’s because people also told me that my dad loved me.’ 

This would be the basis for Rich’s disconnect with God for much of his life. It’s a disconnect that many people I know have had because of strained, absent, or downright bitter relationships with their fathers. In fact many within Christianity have given up referring to God as their ‘heavenly father’ while praying because their biological fathers have ruined the concept.

Rich comes across a tape of a sermon by Franciscan priest Brennan Manning. Those familiar with modern Christian literature know Brennan from his book ‘The Ragamuffin Gospel’, in which Brennan discusses his own alcoholism and his need for God’s radicalBrennan-300x158 grace. It’s a modern classic. Rich is so moved by Brennan’s words on that tape that he seeks him out. For someone whose life has been enriched by both of these men, watching them sit across from each other is a little bit like watching Batman talk to Superman in a cross-over issue of Detective Comics (that may be the nerdiest thing I’ve ever written). I won’t go into the details of Brennan & Rich’s relationship because I don’t want to spoil it, but the name of this movie will give you an idea of the impact Manning has on Rich. The real reason I bring this up is because Charles Lawlor’s portrayal Brennan is simply amazing. From reading Brennan’s writings and hearing second-hand stories, Lawlor’s Brennan Manning is exactly who I imagine him to be.

Rich-Smoking-Piano-300x158Rich’s loneliness and the daddy issues are accompanied by his own alcoholism. Therein lies this movies greatest strength – it’s willingness to be honest. Faith-based movies simply do not show their protagonists having real flaws like drinking alcohol to access (and chain-smoking for that matter), and sometimes being kind of an ass to their friends, unless it’s to draw a contrast from their heathen pre-Jesus days, to their holier, steadfast, pure as the driven snow days as a follower of Jesus. Rich had those struggles and Ragamuffin features them bluntly.

The flaws are just a part of the whole of Rich’s life that Ragamuffin skillfully portrays with subtlety and nuance. Rich is also genuine, honest, and unassuming in everything he does. While in the beginning of Ragamuffin I was distracted by those relatively small flaws that I mentioned earlier, I found that somewhere along the way I became deeply invested in this person and profoundly moved by his trials.

Little gems like Rich calling out the contemporary Christian music industry are like a love letter from Rich to the other Christians who love Jesus but hate what modern Christianity has come to represent.

“All these cheesy artists trying to make a buck off of his name. It makes me want to puke.”

Me too Rich, me too.

He tells his producers:

“Look guys, my songs aren’t fill in the blanks, you can’t just add the word ‘Jesus’ in a few more times and expect it to be better… I’m not trying to be a Christian pop star here. I’m just trying to say something true.”

I’ve said something eerily similar in the past about CCM having a quota of “Jesus’s” to forcibly insert into each song. This is truly what makes Ragamuffin a faith-based movie for the rest of us. Here is Rich saying – I’m cynical about the same stuff you’re cynical about.  Rich get’s us.

Rich was broken and flawed and came to know that God loved him in that state.

 

A few odds and ends.

  • There is cursing in this movie (*gasp* *clutches pearls*). People in a movie acting like people in real life, what a concept!
  • Before deciding on Michael Koch to play the role of Rich, the director almost chose Henry Ian Cusick for the role. Many know Cusick as Desmond ‘see you in another life brotha’ Hume from ABC’s Lost.
  • Look for my interview with the director, David Leo Schultz, coming soon to Seminary Dropout.

Seminary Dropout 40: David Gungor & John Arndt of The Brilliance

thebrillianceFriends David Gungor & John Arndt together form the band, The Brilliance. As I say in the interview, they sound a little like a score from an M. Night Shyamalan movie (one of the good early ones), with a little bit of Ben Folds, and David Bazaan thrown in at times, and at the same time it’s something completely unique and groundbreaking.

You can find The Brilliance online at thebrilliancemusic.com

Check out their recent albums:

 

 

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Seminary Dropout 39: Brooke Waggoner. The Singer/Songwriter Talks Fame, Art & Christ Following.

Brooke-17Brooke Waggoner grew up in a musical household and started writing music around the age of 8 or 9. Luckily for us she kept at it and now has released several albums. Some of her songs are hauntingly beautiful and some are just down right fun. Brooke was classically trained and it shows in a genre that doesn’t require a classic influence, but when it’s birth control there, you feel it.

Brookes latest album is called Originator. Originator is a faster paced album compared to her past outtings, but her signature depth and musical intracacies are still in tact. It’s a beautiful album that’ll be stuck in your head in the best way.

Find Brooke online at BrookeWaggoner.com

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3 Reasons To Cross the Line with Those with Whom you Disagree

Everyone’s got a line.

Mark Driscoll explained his this way… IMG_4706

“I use the language of national and state borders or boundaries, i can work with anybody in the state borders but i can’t partner with anyone who’s crossed a national border.”

If you’ve followed this blog or Seminary Dropout closely you know that I don’t have much in common with Pastor Driscoll theologically or philosophically. However, on this point, I think he articulates well something that we all practice, and honestly, I think that’s okay. To echo a sentiment Christena Cleveland gave in her recent appearance on Seminary Dropout -I don’t think churches have to be diverse theologically in the same way they should be diverse in other ways. Sure, there needs to be a level of acceptable difference in theology within a church, but the spectrum of Christianity is so great that people from opposite ends would most likely not be productive within the same church.

But when we’re afraid to talk or fellowship with people across the borders we’ve gone too far. It’s like we’re all afraid of having our pictures taken with the guy who turns out to Hitler.

Let’s be honest, those with opposing views can cause our comfort level to plummet – Political Affiliation, Prosperity, Speaking in Tongues, Predestination, LBGTQ issues, Abortion, are you uncomfortable yet? I’m not advocating that we care less about these issues or that we change our minds. I’m not advocating that we have no boundaries or lines, I’m just advocating that we reach across them to love our neighbors as ourself.

1. It allows us to see people as image bearers of God.

Caricatures exist. I’ve seen their talking heads on the news, and their sermons on Youtube. They lack any subtlety, curiosity, and open-mindedness, and they’re usually angry. Subconsciously (and sometimes consciously) we begin to believe that everyone who holds that opinion is just like that caricature. They are God-hating or dumb, soul-less or selfish.

When I have had the opportunity to discuss issues like these with those I disagree, I’m almost always struck by how their opinion is filled with subtlety and thought. That’s not to say that I’m won over, it rarely happens, but that’s not the point. The point is that they become flesh and blood as they sit across the coffee valium table, they become people and not caricatures. That’s why it’s so vitally important that we stop exclusively trading barbs with people across the border via blog posts and open letters. Those mediums are particularly vulnerable to dehumanizing people.

2. It keeps us from ignorance.

Back when I was a pastor our church did not require people to be baptized to be members. We believed in and practiced baptism but simply did not require it for membership. The director of church plants in our denomination simply could not believe this. I think he thought it was close to heresy. I could hardly blame him, as someone employed by the denomination that meant that much of his time he was surrounded by co-workers who reinforced every tiny belief he held. I bet everyone in his office building thought that of course baptism should be required for church membership.

It doesn’t bother me that we had a difference of opinion. What was troubling was that he could not see how it was possible to believe any other way, and truth be told his opinion would be in the minority in big scheme of Christianity throughout history. Keep in mind church membership as we know it today isn’t found in the Bible. That’s not to say that it’s a bad thing or that there was no sense of belonging and commitment to a local church in the Bible.

3. To show that God is bigger, and avoid mocking him.

When Christ-followers display a lack of love for one another we are in effect saying – God is not big or powerful enough to bridge these difference. Either God is at work redeeming the hearts and minds of his followers or he is not. Perhaps we need to trust him more that he is drawing us all to a better understanding of who he is and what that looks like in our lives.

When we give “the line” too much power in our lives we are saying – once you go so far I no longer have to talk with you or show you kindness. This is not the example of Jesus so why should it be the example of the Christ follower.

 

Seminary Dropout 38: Using Story in Spiritual Disciplines & More with Andy Campbell

andy campbell

You can’t not love those tattoo’s. My friend Andy Campbell joins me on the show to talk his life and work. Andy works at George Fox Seminary and has a pretty great blog on the side. Andy lives in Portland, OR, where he lives with his wife and two daughters. Andy’s done some fascinating work in the area of spiritual discipline which we discuss on the show. Andy and I both have contributed to a book coming out in the fall that features Christian men discussing fatherhood.

You can find Andy’s blog at The Crooked Mouth.

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Seminary Dropout 37: Christena Cleveland, Disunity in Christ: Uncovering the Hidden Forces that Keep Us Apart

CCChristena Cleveland is many things, she’s a social psychologist, a gifted teacher, a consultant to pastors and leaders on multicultural issues, but she is also a Jesus follower who has used her expertise and research to call the church to unity through diversity.  In Disunity in Christ: Uncovering the Hidden Forces that Keep Us Apart, Christena aptly points out that simply saying that the doors are open and anyone is welcome is not the DiCsame as pursuing diversity, and that premier-pharmacy.com diversity should not be an option for churches today. The book not only points out the racial homogeneity among Christians today, but the class and theological homogeneity as well.

My favorite quote of Christena’s in this interview is: “I think that the unified body of Christ is the vehicle through which God wants to do everything.”

Find Christena and all of her resources at christenacleveland.com.

 

 

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