Seminary Dropout 77: Aaron Niequist

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For the last ten years, first at Mars Hill Church and now at Willow Creek Church, Aaron has been trying to invite people into a worship journey that moves beyond singing songs. As Aaron tried to create something “new”, he discovered that many have had this figured out for generations and generations. They call it “The Liturgy”.
And so Aaron has been wrestling with the question: How do we bring the depth and wisdom of the Liturgical tradition into the questions and struggles of today? What can we learn? How can our past shape and launch us into the future? Since the word liturgy means “the work of the people”, how do we best invite our spiritual communities into this work?

On the show we discuss…


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Their purpose is to partner with Pastors and Church leaders to help make disciples and fulfill the Great Commission. They do this by creating visual models of faith that provide practical examples of modern-day disciples.


 

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Seminary Dropout 51: Michael Gungor

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Racial Justice is too Important to Give to God

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A friend of mine recently expressed frustration on Facebook over the recent injustices towards people of color in our nation. One of the comments on the post was as striking as it was familiar. A white person expressed sympathy towards the plight of people of color in America today, expressed her own frustrations, and then concluded that we just have to ‘give it to God’.

Can I be so bold as to suggest that what we mean when we say ‘giving it to God’ might be the most backwards and unbiblical thing believers can do? To be sure ‘surrender’ and ‘submission’ to a holy God are undoubtedly biblical concepts, but those concepts only make sense when our will is in conflict with God’s. When we want true biblical justice, we don’t need to surrender our will to God because we know that our will is God’s will.

All too often what we mean when we say ‘give it to God’ is that we’re done trying, we’re throwing our hands up and hoping it all works out. It’s a very spiritual sounding way of saying -“I’m not going to do anything about this.”

Does this work in any area of life? If you lose your job, do you sit back and hope it all works out or do you get to work on a resume, and ask your friends and family if they have any leads? When your child is sick do you take a passive approach or do you get them to the doctor?

The entirety of scripture is the story of God inviting human beings to participate and partner in redemption and reconciliation with God.

My fear is that perhaps our real feelings are more sinister than simple exasperation, and are in reality an unwillingness to follow God into true participation of a radical reconciliation process.

As a white person, partnering with God probably means being intolerant of my church being 99% white and having no positions of leadership belonging to people of color. Partnering with God might truly mean moving out of my 95% white neighborhood and sending my kids to a school that isn’t 95% white.

Partnering with God means intentionally, purposefully and regularly praying against violence, against the idea that black men are to be feared and presumed guilty, and that poverty within minority communities is simply a choice they have made, and examining ourselves to eradicate any of those feelings within ourselves.

We can’t act as if God hasn’t given us a means of being co-laborers with Him, that’s not His nature, He has promised to prepare good works for us in advance (Eph 2:10). If we feel like there is nothing that can be done, that should be the signal within us that we have found God’s calling too radical and too impractical to be bothered with.

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Seminary Dropout 76: Lauren Winner, Author of ‘Wearing God’

 

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Lauren Winner teaches at Duke Divinity School as an Assistant Professor of Christian Spirituality, and lives in Durham, North Carolina.

Lauren is a writer’s writer. If you’ve read any of her previous books: Girl Meets God, Mudhouse Sabbath, or her memoir Still: Notes on a Mid-faith Crisis, then you know that. She took her effortless tone and intimate style and turned it towards the language of God used in the Bible, and wrote Wearing God:Clothing, Laughter, Fire, and Other Overlooked Ways of Meeting God 

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Some things we discuss in the show…

  • A specific time in Lauren’s life when she really had a thirst for the words of the Bible and started to notice the language used for God.
  • Why the way we speak about God matters.
  • The significance of our relationship with God being described as a friendship.
  • The relation between Gender and language for God.
  • The unknowable parts of God and why they are important.
  • Lauren’s collection of Christian kitsch.

Be sure to enter for a chance to win the book!


 

Remember our beloved sponsor for this episode is Deidox Films. If you like the podcast and want to support it then please check out Deidox and tell your pastor, worship leader or whoever organizes your worship gatherings about it.

Deidox produces beautiful, high quality, short documentaries about the real lives of Christians.

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Deidox Films is a 501(c)3 film production and distribution company. They are media missionaries. Their mission is to produce and promote documentary films that help the Church reflect Christ and redeem culture.

Their purpose is to partner with Pastors and Church leaders to help make disciples and fulfill the Great Commission. They do this by creating visual models of faith that provide practical examples of modern-day disciples.


 

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Seminary Dropout 64: Karen Swallow Prior


 

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Faith & Culture Writers Conference

fcwcI’m extremely excited to be leading two workshops at this years Faith & Culture Writers Conference.

The conference has a great line up including past Seminary Dropout guests Tony Kriz & WM Paul Young, as well as others like Romal Tune & Emily P. Freeman.

The two workshops I’ll be leading are:

Say It: Using Podcasting to Go Deeper

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Interviewing: The Art of Asking Good Questions

Like I said, I’m extremely excited to be apart of this conference and to be included in such a stellar line up. If you’re in the Portland area (and even if you’re not) I’d LOVE to see you there.


 

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Almost immediately after the conference we’ll be doing something big. Like really BIG.
*drum roll begins*

Like, the first ever, live taping of Seminary Dropout.

Here is your chance to be present at the first ever live taping of the podcast. Just like the non-live version, I’ll have an amazing guest (yet to be announced) and we’ll talk about faith and life.
There should be enough seating for everyone but just in case you’d better register here

Book Giveaway: Leroy Barbers – Red, Brown, Yellow, Black, White—Who’s More Precious In God’s Sight?

Now that you’ve heard my interview with Leroy Barber, and know how important his book is, here’s a chance to win it!

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There are 2 easy steps to enter:

1. Simply subscribe to Seminary Dropout in iTunes.

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That’s it!

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Seminary Dropout 75: Leroy Barber, Author of Red, Brown, Yellow, Black, White—Who’s More Precious In God’s Sight?

Just FYI, you’ll notice that I’m a little hoarse in this episode. It’s worth it though.

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Leroy Barber is the Executive Director of Word Made Flesh Ministries, and former president of Mission Year and of Focus Community Strategies (FCS) Urban Ministries. He is the author of two previous books, New Neighbor and Everyday Missions. He lives in Portland, Oregon.

 

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You don’t have to have been Christian for very long before you become apart of some sort of mission. Most of us have experienced short-term missions, worked at a church sponsored food pantry, or maybe even went over seas with an organization. The reality is that far to many of the leadership of the organizations that take on such endeavors are overwhelmingly white, from the board of directors to the executive director. How does this happen to a people who are called by an all loving, boundary-breaking God, and what are the consequences when the people who supposedly benefit from the mission of these organizations come from vastly different backgrounds than those who are providing the services? These are the questions Leroy takes on in Red, Brown, Yellow, Black, White—Who’s More Precious In God’s Sight?.

In the interview we discuss…

…the push back Leroy experienced as a person of color working in the Christian non-profit cholesterol lowering realm.

…the changes made to make the non-profit DOOR more diverse.

…missionary invaders.

…the Rooney rule in the NFL is and how that relates to Christian Mission Agencies.

…how many Christian non-profits have workers raising their own support, and what’s wrong with that model.

…how ministries can be contextual to the poor.


 

Remember our beloved sponsor for this episode is Deidox Films. If you like the podcast and want to support it then please check out Deidox and tell your pastor, worship leader or whoever organizes your worship gatherings about it.

Deidox produces beautiful, high quality, short documentaries about the real lives of Christians.This week I recommend the short film Robert.

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Deidox Films is a 501(c)3 film production and distribution company. They are media missionaries. Their mission is to produce and promote documentary films that help the Church reflect Christ and redeem culture.

Their purpose is to partner with Pastors and Church leaders to help make disciples and fulfill the Great Commission. They do this by creating visual models of faith that provide practical examples of modern-day disciples.


 

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Seminary Dropout 35: How to Alleviate Poverty Without Hurting the Poor & Yourself – Brian Fikkert

Seminary Dropout 37: Christena Cleveland, Disunity in Christ: Uncovering the Hidden Forces that Keep Us Apart


 

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Seminary Dropout 74: Erin Lane, Author of Lessons in Belonging from a Church-Going Commitment Phobe

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Erin S. Lane works as an assistant program director for clergy and congregational leader programs for the Center for Courage & Renewal. Unlike me, she has a master of theological studies degree from Duke Divinity School.

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Erin’s book is a beautiful and shockingly honest look at her journey in being a part of a church. If you’re looking for propaganda sanctioned by a large evangelical denomination, then this isn’t the book for you. Erin openly examines her own motivations and feelings and isn’t afraid to be wrong. She’s also not afraid to examine the faults of churches she attends and point out when things aren’t done as well as they could be.

If you have issues with the church, read this book. If you love the church, read this book. If you’ve been wounded by the church, you especially, read this book!


Remember our beloved sponsor for this episode is Deidox Films. If you like the podcast and want to support it then please check out Deidox and tell your pastor, worship leader or whoever organizes your worship gatherings about it.

Deidox produces beautiful, high quality, short documentaries about the real lives of Christians.This week I recommend the short film Robert.

deidox

Deidox Films is a 501(c)3 film production and distribution company. They are media missionaries. Their mission is to produce and promote documentary films that help the Church reflect Christ and redeem culture.

Their purpose is to partner with Pastors and Church leaders to help make disciples and fulfill the Great Commission. They do this by creating visual models of faith that provide practical examples of modern-day disciples.


 

If you liked this episode then you might also like…

Seminary Dropout 65: Josh Butler, Author of ‘Skeletons in God’s Closet’

Seminary Dropout 60: Shauna Niequist


 

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Seminary Dropout 73: David Jenzen, Author of ‘The Intentional Christian Community Handbook’

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David Janzen graduated from Bethel College and studied at Harvard Divinity School. In 1971, he and his wife helped found New Creation Fellowship, a Christian intentional community in Newton KS. In 1984, they moved to Reba Place Fellowship in Evanston IL, where David now runs an affordable housing ministry.

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“This is a book that we’ve needed for a long, long time…. This is a book for people who long for community and for people who’ve found it; for young seekers and for old radicals. Like a farmer’s almanac or a good cookbook, it’s a guide that doesn’t tell you what to do, but rather gives you the resources you need to find your way together with friends in the place where you are. We couldn’t be more grateful to have a book like this. And we couldn’t be happier to share it with you.”

—Shane Claiborne and Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove,
from the book’s Foreword


Remember our beloved sponsor for this episode is Deidox Films. If you like the podcast and want to support it then please check out Deidox and tell your pastor, worship leader or whoever organizes your worship gatherings about it.

Deidox produces beautiful, high quality, short documentaries about the real lives of Christians.This week I recommend the short film Deon.

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Deidox Films is a 501(c)3 film production and distribution company. They are media missionaries. Their mission is to produce and promote documentary films that help the Church reflect Christ and redeem culture.

Their purpose is to partner with Pastors and Church leaders to help make disciples and fulfill the Great Commission. They do this by creating visual models of faith that provide practical examples of modern-day disciples.


 

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C.S. Lewis Got it Wrong on Violence & War

Several months back I reread C.S. Lewis’s Mere Christianity. I was struck at how many things he said with a tone of being new or controversial, while in todays Christian worldview they were commonplace. I can only assume that in that important work of Christian literature he established a new normal within Christianity, and for the most part I’m thankful for that. I love Lewis, he’s brilliant, he loved the Lord. I also think he was wrong about some things. For all the ways that he ignored culture and had a vision for the world as God saw it, in many ways he was also a product of his time.

While I think Lewis would shutter to know how readily many Christians rush to support war and violence today. He was far from a pacifist, and he left no doubt with this passage…

…the Christian in arms for the defense of a good cause – is one of the great Christian ideas.  War is a dreadful thing, and I can respect an honest pacifist, though I think he is entirely mistaken.

I say all of this because I want to borrow (steal?) Lewis’s rhetoric and turn it on it’s head, because it’s the exact (opposite) way I feel about the issue.

I can respect the honest violence-apologist, but only after they’ve ready closely the words of Jesus and how Christians have interpreted those words throughout history, especially before Constantine ushered in the idea of Christian military power.

More to the point if you’ve honestly read the Sermon on the Mount with a fresh ear, and read Christian literature on non-violence and still don’t see Jesus’s call in scripture to it, then although I still disagree with you, you’ve certainly earned the right to believe that God allows violence. But more than not, those I hear beating the war drum in the name of Christ have no theology behind it other than some vague notion about violence in the Old Testament, and a feeling that ‘God is on our side’. It seems like when something as serious and sacred as a human life is on the line, we had better do our homework and make sure that what we believe is based on something substantial.