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Many of us grew up in a somewhat more conservative environment than the one we live in now, but Elizabeth Esther grew up in an actual cult. A commune, a strict dress code and leaders who went unchecked & unrestrained, it’s all there. In her first book ‘Girl at the End of the World’, Elizabeth writes about her life growing up preaching on the streets, unable to hold hands with boys, and rehearsing an escape plan in preparation for the apocalypse. How she finally left the group, but couldn’t bring herself to leave God. All of this weeks Seminary Dropout.
Note: There are some parts of this interview that you probably don’t want your kids to hear.

Girl at the End of the World: My Escape from Fundamentalism in Search of Faith with a Future (affiliate link)
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My guest today is Halee Gray Scott (PhD). Halee is an author, scholar, and global leadership consultant. Her writings appeared in Christianity Today, Christian Education Journal, Real Clear Religion, and Relevant. You can find her on her blog at 
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Pastor & blogger Kurt Willems joins me on the show today. Kurt has a hugely popular blog called The Pangea Blog, in which he discusses ministry, theology, and culture from an Anabaptist perspective.