Seminary Dropout 96: Jen Hatmaker, America’s BFF Talks about Aging, Raising Kids, & Jesus in Her New Book ‘For the Love’

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Jen Hatmaker is a mom to five children, a pastor’s wife, sought-after speaker, best-selling author and star of the popular series My Big Family Renovation on HGTV.  She is best known for her books 7: An Experimental Mutiny Against Excess and Interrupted: When Jesus Wrecks Your Comfortable Christianity. Her new book is “For the Love: Fighting for Grace in a World of Impossible Standards”

Best-selling author Jen Hatmaker is convinced life can be lovely and fun and courageous and kind. She knows how the squeeze of this life can make us competitive and judgmental, how we can lose love for others and then for ourselves. She reveals how to: Break free of guilt and shame by dismantling the unattainable Pinterest life. Learn to engage our culture’s controversial issues with a grace-first approach. Be liberated to love and release the burden of always being right. Identify the tools you already have to develop real-life, all-in, know-my-junk-but-love-me-anyway friendships. Escape our impossible standards for parenting and marriage by accepting the standard of mostly good. -From the Publisher

Some things discussed on the show…

…Jen’s writing style earlier in her career.

…getting older.

…women and men experiencing shame differently.

…the pressure to be a good parent.

…the metrics of success that we use for our kids.

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Seminary Dropout 95: Lisa Harper, Author of Believing Jesus

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Lisa Harper is a storyteller and theological scholar?a gifted communicator whose writing and speaking connect the dots between the Bible era and modern life. The author of nine books, and a Masters of Theological Studies with honors from Covenant Seminary, she is now a sought-after Bible teacher.


In Believing Jesus, Bible teacher and author Lisa Harper retraces the steps of the apostles in the book of Acts, while throwing in a few of her own crazy adventures along the way. The disciples didn’t have much of a road map after Jesus ascended to heaven, but God’s grace and spirit filled in the gaps as they moved forward. It required their willingness to risk everything to establish a new community that would change the future world.

As a regular speaker on the Women of Faith® tour, Lisa has earned a reputation as a true theological scholar and hilarious storyteller—not necessarily in that order! Best-selling author and pastor Max Lucado calls Lisa one of the “best Bible tour guides around.”

Believing Jesus will highlight both of Lisa’s strengths as she tackles every chapter of the Book of Acts with biblical wisdom and modern imagineear.com/pharmacy/ wit. Lisa keeps it real, telling stories on herself and pointing readers back to Jesus, the only one who can truly lead. -From the Publisher

Some things discussed on the show…

…what Lisa imagined herself doing with her seminary degree when she graduated.

…the shortage of women in seminary.

…when Lisa first realized that she had a talent for teaching the Bible.

…what made Lisa decide to tackle the book of Acts in her latest book.

…Lisa’s daughter Missy.


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Seminary Dropout 94: John Mark McMillan on Making Money as a Christian Artist & More

 

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John Mark McMillan is something of an anomaly. From the very beginning of his career, nearly a decade ago, his music has defied easy categorization. A singer-songwriter as interested in musical exploration as lyrical exploration, McMillan carved his own path from the outset—with an ear for melody with a poet’s eye for metaphor—no topic was off-limits: death and love; isolation and exultation; restlessness and silence. And always consistent—an ongoing dialogue with God, ever-wrestling for some kind of blessing and usually at volumes most suited for rock clubs.  – From johnmarkmcmillan.com

John Mark’s latest album You Are The Avalanche, was a collaboration between him and his wife Sarah. It released in June.

Some things discussed on the show…

…how JM grew up the charismatic movement in the 80’s and 90’s.

…JM’s crisis of faith, and the role of The Divine Conspiracy.

….JM’s relationship to his song “How He Loves” after 11 years and being asked to play it at almost every show.

…the difficulty of making money while being a Christian artist.

…how JM writes music differently than he did before having children.

…the impact Bruce Springsteen has had on JM.


 

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Seminary Dropout 93: Jennie Allen of the IF:Gathering

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My guest today is Jennie Allen, Jennie’s passion is to inspire a new generation of women to encounter the invisible God. She loves words and believes God uses them to heal souls and to reveal Himself to people. Jennie has published several studies and trade books, engaging women’s minds and hearts toward Christ.

She has a masters in Biblical Studies and lives with her husband Zac, and 4 children in the best city in the nation, Austin, Texas.

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Jennie is also the found of IF:Gathering. IF exists to gather, equip and unleash the next generation of women to live out their purpose.

Some things discussed on the show…

…when the first kernel of what would become IF:Gathering popped into Jennie’s mind.

…what all of the IF: Gathering includes.

…issues around gender that can be hard for Christians to agree on.

…addressing racial unity at the IF:Gathering.

…Jennie’s book Anything, that was just rereleased with new material.


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Seminary Dropout 92: Boz Tchividjian on Sexual Abuse in the Church

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“Boz” Tchividjian is a former child abuse chief prosecutor and is the founder and executive director of GRACE (Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment). Boz is also an Associate Professor of Law at Liberty University School of Law, and is a published author who speaks and writes extensively on issues related to abuse within the faith community. Boz is the 3rd-eldest grandchild of the Rev. Billy Graham. He is a graduate of Stetson University and Cumberland School of Law (Samford University).

 


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Seminary Dropout 91: Rob Bell, from the Everything is Spiritual Tour

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You know who Rob Bell is. I mean come on. He’s the former pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church. He’s an author, podcaster, and surfer. I had the pleasure of sitting down with Rob last week when he was in town for his Everything is Spiritual tour. The audio is a little different in this episode since I’m talking to Rob on location as opposed to my home studio, but it still turned out great.

Rob just started this tour so he may be coming to your town. Check out his tour page.


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Seminary Dropout 90: Michele Cushatt, Author of ‘Undone: A Story of Making Peace With an Unexpected Life’

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A storyteller at heart, Michele Cushatt inspires audiences with the warmth of her transparency and presence. Her unique style makes you feel like you just spent an afternoon with a good friend, sparking tears one moment and laughter the next. Having experienced both the best and worst of life, she’s unafraid to disclose her imperfect spaces, so that you know you’re not alone in yours.

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Undone is author Michele Cushatt’s quest to make peace with a complicated life. It is an honest confession of a diagnosis of cancer and the joys and disappointments of motherhood and marriage, ripe with regret over what is and, yet, still hopeful for what could be.

With enough humor to ease the rawness of the story, Undone takes the reader on a roller coaster two-year journey through the unexpectedness of life. A look back makes Michele long for a do-over, the chance to make fewer mistakes and leave less of a mess to clean up. A look forward makes Michele wonder if all her attempts to control life have robbed her of the vibrancy of it. And, in the middle of this internal chaos, she finds her once-pristine house filled with the sights and sounds of three small, uncontainable children who just want to be loved.

In the end, Undone turns complication into a beautiful canvas, angst into joy, and the unknown into an adventure, revealing that sometimes life’s most colorful and courageous stories are written right in the middle of the mess. -From the Publisher

Some things discussed on the show…

…Michele’s life changed by orders of magnitude over the span of about 8 months. She got a cancer diagnosis and 3 new (to her) children under her care during that time.

…this quote from the book
“Cancer, as heinous and evil as it was, had delivered an unexpected gift. It taught us how to live. Not in regret over all the ways we wished we could go back and do it over. Not in mourning the countless unfinished, undone places that yet remained. And not in fear of the unknown future we couldn’t predict or control. Cancer–in both its presence and absence–had taught me the immeasurable value of today.”

…how the presence of God felt different to than Michele thought it would.

…how divorce is a part of Michele’s story and how that has made her more able to identify with those that have had a messy life.

…what it was like raising her own children and then essentially starting over with 3 other children.

…Michele has lived a pretty clean life and taken care of herself and her body before her diagnosis, and that moment of feel like “meaningless meaningless everything is meaningless”.

…how coming so close to the realness of death makes you treat yourself better, not physically, but internally and understanding just how valuable you are as a human being.

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Seminary Dropout 89: Carolyn Custis James, Author of Malestrom: Manhood Swept Into the Currents of a Changing World

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Carolyn Custis James. Carolyn is a national and international conference speaker for churches, colleges, seminaries and other Christian organizations. Her writings bring a fresh perspective to the study of God’s Word and communicate a powerfully relevant message for women and men today.

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Malestrom builds on and expands previous books by Carolyn Custis James to explore the idea of manhood, a growing issue both in the wider culture and in the church. Until now, the entire discussion has been largely reduced to Western conceptions. Instead, James here shows how our culture’s narrow definitions of manhood are upended when we consider the examples of men in the Bible and Jesus’ gospel. Together, they show a whole new Kingdom way of being male and forging men and women into the Blessed Alliance. -From the Publisher

Some things discussed on the show…

…what the Creation narrative shows us about patriarchy.

…the link between males and violence that largely seems to be caused by our image of manhood and pride.

…the traditional marks of manhood: reproducing, providing, and protecting.

…how God’s call on the life of Abraham challenged patriarchy.

…the impact of the father son relationship having a lot to do with the state of patriarchy.

…the story of Deborah the military leader as an example of a powerful woman in the bible, and what significance does she has.

…how patriarchy marginalizes men too.

…some things that women and men can do to subvert patriarchy or push back against it.

What was your favorite quote from the interview? Leave it in the comments.


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Seminary Dropout 88: Michael Hidalgo on Doubt, Hell, & Legalism

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Michael Hidalgo is the pastor of Denver Community Church. With the ONE Campaign and Malaria No More, Michael has addressed thousands nationally. He is the author of Unlost: Being Found by the One We Are Looking For and writes regularly for Relevant Magazine. His new book is “Changing Faith: Questions, Doubts and Choices About an Unchanging God”.0

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Some things discussed on the show…

…has the dichotomy between orthodoxy and a poetic reading of Gen 1 is also a modern phenomenon.?

…why Michael calls for adopting more than one lense as apposed to exchanging one lense for another.

…Michael’s journey with doubt.

…how we stay humble and yet confident in our changing faith.

…will there will be a lot of good people in hell, and does anti inflammatories that mean there will be a lot of good people in heaven?

…what should the churches response and posture be towards culture?

…Obeying Rules/ Legalism – conservatives say what we can’t do and progressives say what we have to do. What does the alternative look like, how do we look inside?

“The church is at it’s worse when it acts as the moral police of culture” -Michael

 


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Seminary Dropout 86: Jim Brownson

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Jim Brownson is the James and Jean Cook Professor of New Testament at Western Theological Seminary. He’s the author of a number of books, including most recently Bible, Gender, Sexuality: Reframing the Church’s Debate on Same-Sex Relationships.

 

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In Bible, Gender, Sexuality James Brownson argues that Christians should reconsider whether or not the biblical strictures against same-sex relations as defined in the ancient world should apply to contemporary, committed same-sex relationships. Presenting two sides in the debate — “traditionalist” and “revisionist” — Brownson carefully analyzes each of the seven main texts that appear to address intimate same-sex relations. In the process, he explores key concepts that inform our understanding of the biblical sleeping aids texts, including patriarchy, complementarity, purity and impurity, honor and shame. Central to his argument is the need to uncover the moral logic behind the biblical text. Written in order to serve and inform the ongoing debate in many denominations over the questions of homosexuality, Brownson’s in-depth study will prove a useful resource for Christians who want to form a considered opinion on this important issue. -From the Publisher.

 


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